I do realise this may offend a few dozen people, but what the hey. Its not like I need friends. =P Here we go. Here is my official rebut to your entry, fenix. No hard feelings, and no offense intended. =) ------------------------------------------ "Now after all this the country is pretty quiet until about the early 90's when Bush Sr. decides that we should go over to iraq and stop Madman Insane from destoying the Kurds, oh the Kurds you remember a faction in his country that opposed him. So we get the opportunity to kill this motherfucker and Bush Sr. knows it, but guess what. THE FUCKIN UN TELLS HIM NOT TO AND HE GETS CAUGHT UP IN A POLITICAL FUCK ME IN THE ASS GAME AND CAN'T FINISH WHAT HE WENT THEIR TO DO." Hahaha, very funny. Yes, Bush Sr really gave two shits about the Kurds. The CIA knew the Kurds were being gassed back in '88, but didnt do anything because there was no immediate military or economic threat to itself. You even got your facts wrong. He attacked Iraq cause he invaded Kuwait, not because of the Kurds. America sure did give two shits when they did that, cause hell, give Kuwait to Iraq and then Saddam Hussein controls a vast amount of the oil being sent into the US!!! "To continue Clinton comes in and he can't seem to stop terrorist attacks and capture Osama bin laden when he knew where he was the whole time, and knew about terrorist attacks before they happened. Wow, so that means Bush Jr. basically gets handed a presidency that was covered in scandal and coverups over terrorist tactics. Presidency and Scandal NO FUCKIN WAY!" First point: just because presidency and scandal go hand in hand doesnt mean its right. Second point: You want to know why your country did nothing to stop Osama Bin Laden? Because he was not taken seriously, thats why. The US did not see him as an immediate threat, so they said 'fuck him' and decided to bomb Kosovo instead. Fuckasses. "So now 9/11 happens and we pull together for a few short months after it does happen and where is the rest of the world! OH THATS RIGHT, its our fault we got bombed, and it's our fault we got this put on ourself." Wow, know you know how Japan felt when you A Bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima and killed a few hundred thousand cilivians. Now you know how you feel when you bombed a Sudanese Panadol factory because you 'thought it might be making weapons'. Now you know how it feels when another country kills your civilians!! The simple fact is the world is in a constant state of war, mostly diplomatic. But occasionally it shifts from diplomatic to military. And in that kind war, the bombing of civilians is enivitable. You just werent thinking it was going to be you, because you are America, and you are oh so very big and powerful. Im not saying its right. Im saying America was an over complacent, over confident country for too long. You lost your edge, and you paid for it. "We did this remember, we are the country that has a capitalistic point of view and freedom, but the french tell us to basically fuck off." Come on, theyre French. The French tell everyone to fuck off. "That must be nice, we save their ass on more than one occasion. HEY FRANCE YOU REMEMBER SEPTEMBER 9, 1939. Oh wait that wasn't america that came in on the BEACHES OF NORMANDY to stop a TYRANT from taking over the world. So, Even then we were the back bone of this world, fighting to free oppressed people." I could swear the landing of 155,000 Allied (not just American) troops on the beaches of Normandy was June 6th, 1944. Im pretty sure America submitted no troops into the war until 1941. And Im pretty sure that war between The Commonwealth, Britian and France vs Germany and Italy started on September 3th, 1939, which is 6 days before you alledgely helped France. Hell, France wasnt even taken until 22nd June 1940. So even if you did help them on the 9th September 1939, it didnt do a shitload. Ok, that was way too much unnecessary flaming for getting a date wrong. Sorry. You helped the French because you did not want Germany to control Europe. America sat back and thought 'Oh Jesus, we better amend the Lend/Lease act to give weapons to Russia, Britian, France and other allied powers, or else Hitler will stick us on our hitlist!! The USAs involvement in the war was purely self interest. Nothing more, nothing less. "I'm sorry if i went off, i just never would have thought that the veterans of world war II would have thought they fought for nothing. All those men that died in that war so long ago shouldn't have died in vain. I would fight for this country if i knew their was a purpose, WWII was a purpose, not a political agenda, We fought hitler and his nazi's and we killed them for their crimes on humanity and the atrocities that they commited, I wonder if Dr. Mengele was alive today and living in Iraq and Insanes advisor, would we had a problem going in an eliminating him." Suggesting that the men of WWII died in vain is an insult to any and all of the survivors of war left. WWII was a political agenda. Youre making it out to seem like the USA joined the war because they saw Hitler commiting horrible things to innocent people, not because Japan bombed Pearl Harbour. The soldiers of WWII fought for purpose. And that purpose was just. But they were there because a pompous asshole in a comfy chair in Washington thought that his country's economic security and military prowess were under threat, not because he was concerned about concentration camps and the freedom of European people. And yes, if Mengele was alive today and advising Saddam Hussein, you would go into Iraq and kill him... only if he was doing something to threaten your country's security. ------------------------------------------ There is one thing you cannot ignore. If you think that war is anything more than a diplomatic game of chess using pawns with firearms, youre naive. The real reason for war is for material gain, not for freedom. And it never will be.